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Opened 15 years ago

Closed 14 years ago

Last modified 11 years ago

#69 closed defect (fixed)

Cross sections for processes with mixed orderEW/orderQCD diagrams

Reported by: Frank Siegert Owned by: support@sherpa-mc.de
Priority: major Milestone:
Component: Unknown Version: 1.2.1
Keywords: Cc:

Description (last modified by Frank Siegert)

When generating processes without fixing the Order_EW or Order_QCD of the diagrams, Sherpa will wrongly enhance the interference between diagrams of different Order_EW/Order_QCD. This is not a problem in any of our default setups, because there we restrict the Order_EW, but if one includes all (e.g. because of cuts which enhance the EW contributions such that they are needed), one will run into this bug.

Example: Sherpa's cross section for pp -> P b bar around the Z->b bbar peak doesn't reproduce the one in Madgraph if the following cuts are applied:

  • pT(photon) > 200 GeV
  • pT(b) > 50 GeV
  • pT(bbar) > 50 GeV
  • |eta(photon)| < 2.5
  • |eta(b)| < 2.5
  • |eta(bbar)| < 2.5
  • dR(photon, b) > 0.6
  • dR(photon, bbar) > 0.6
  • 89<m_{b bbar}<93

Using cteq6l1 and a fixed fac/ren scale=mZ, Madgraph gives 0.007710 pb, while Sherpa gives 0.020742 pb. If I select the resonant diagrams only, i.e. pp -> P Z[b bbar] then Sherpa (0.005917 pb) and Madgraph (0.005869 pb) agree well.

Attachments (5)

Run.inc.dat (755 bytes) - added by Frank Siegert 15 years ago.
Run.cut.dat (765 bytes) - added by Frank Siegert 15 years ago.
run_card.dat (11.4 KB) - added by Frank Siegert 15 years ago.
inc_proc_card.dat (3.3 KB) - added by Frank Siegert 15 years ago.
cut_proc_card.dat (3.3 KB) - added by Frank Siegert 15 years ago.

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Change History (12)

Changed 15 years ago by Frank Siegert

Attachment: Run.inc.dat added

Changed 15 years ago by Frank Siegert

Attachment: Run.cut.dat added

Changed 15 years ago by Frank Siegert

Attachment: run_card.dat added

Changed 15 years ago by Frank Siegert

Attachment: inc_proc_card.dat added

Changed 15 years ago by Frank Siegert

Attachment: cut_proc_card.dat added

comment:1 Changed 15 years ago by Frank Siegert

Hmmm, I just notice that the Madgraph integration results seem to have huge errors, ~100%. So the numbers above can't be trusted. I'll try to find out how to improve that. Also I have to change the ren/fac to actually be fixed (.true. instead of F) and maybe just to be safe set the bwcutoff higher, like 150. Will post back with new results.

comment:2 Changed 15 years ago by Frank Siegert

Even if I integrate to lower errors (and with actually fixed scales), I still see the same discrepancy. I've simplified it even further, by looking at only one subprocess, namely u ubar -> gamma b bbar (in Madgraph that's uu~>bb~a and u~u>bb~a). Furthermore I've tried to identify whether it's the cuts that may be wrong by removing them successively. But whatever I do, in all cases Madgraph's cross section is only ~40% of Sherpa's. Are there any other ideas where this difference could come from?

comment:3 Changed 15 years ago by Frank Siegert

Description: modified (diff)
Summary: Inclusive "P b bbar" cross sectionCross sections for processes with mixed orderEW/orderQCD diagrams
Version: trunk1.2.1

This is fixed on Sherpa SVN but will need to be thoroughly tested before it can be released.

comment:4 Changed 14 years ago by Frank Siegert

Resolution: fixed
Status: newclosed

Works fine in our benchmark, except for Amegic with MHV amplitudes (#88), disabled them for the time being, nobody is using them anyway.

comment:5 Changed 14 years ago by Frank Siegert

Works fine with Amegic as well now (i.e. in release 1.2.2).

Note that the SCALES and COUPLINGS parameter syntax has been changed to accomodate the fixes described in this report. Check the manual for details.

comment:6 Changed 13 years ago by Frank Siegert

Milestone: rel-old

comment:7 Changed 11 years ago by Stefan Hoeche

Milestone: old

Milestone old deleted

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